Beethoven - the Complete String Quartets - Budapest String Quartet Review

This cycle is bachelor for a very good price - nearly €20 - on Amazon. What do CMG people think of this box set?

Post by **John F** » Thu November 18, 2010 8:56 am

Is that really the famous Budapest String Quartet, or is it the New Budapest String Quartet? A completely different grouping sharing no members with the Budapest SQ.

Post past **stefanher** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:03 am

If this is the Columbia/CBS recordings buy it now. No excuses for not having this even if information technology cost 200 euros. The just reason not to purchase it is if you the live hall of congress recordings already.

Must say I couldn't find information technology listed on Amazon United kingdom of great britain and northern ireland.

Mail by **stenka razin** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:49 am

sean, delight give the states details. The old Budapest Quartet was a joy to listen to, my friend.

Post by **Seán** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:21 am

stenka razin wrote:sean, delight give us details. The old Budapest Quartet was a joy to listen to, my friend.

It's this gear up: http://world wide web.amazon.fr/gp/product/B0042GN ... d_i=405320

Post past **Seán** » Thu November 18, 2010 2:09 pm

stefanher wrote:If this is the Columbia/CBS recordings buy information technology now. No excuses for not having this even if it cost 200 euros. The only reason not to buy it is if you the alive hall of congress recordings already.

Must say I couldn't detect it listed on Amazon UK.

I don't know if it is, hither is a photograph of it:

Post by **stenka razin** » Thu November 18, 2010 ii:39 pm

Sean, if that set up becomes bachelor across the pond, you can count me in, too. I had these performances on Columbia LPs and they are soooooooooooooo fine. Enthusiastically recommended from a friend who saw the Budapesters perform live, many moons agone.

Mail service by **John F** » Thu Nov eighteen, 2010 2:57 pm

Yeah, that's the real Budapest String Quartet. They recorded the complete Beethoven quartets twice, once in mono in the Library of Congress auditorium using its Stradivarius instruments, and and then in stereo presumably with their own instruments. The first bike has very dry audio, and was made during the menstruum when Alexander Schneider had left the quartet to found his ain. In the 2d, Alexander Schneider is dorsum, and the audio is much more than agreeable, just first violinist Joseph Roisman'southward intonation is less reliable.

In its heyday, the Budapest had enormous prestige in America - for many they were the merely cord quartet, menses. So when my begetter wanted to have the Beethoven quartets, it was the Budapest's first wheel that he got, and that I heard when growing up. After I heard some of the stereo remakes simply not all of them. The Russians (non a Hungarian amid them) play the music "straight," with vigor and understanding, and their recordings were a practiced starting point for learning the music. Since then I've moved on, going for other cord quartets whose audio and manner appeal to me more.

Mail service by **Chalkperson** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:56 pm

Anyone interested in great Chamber Music playing should grab this at present...if we are lucky it has been Remastered, I just received the Levine Mahler Box from this series and it's been beautifully Remastered...I have the all of their Library of Congress Recordings merely the sound is not that bully...

Post by **arthound** » Thu Nov xviii, 2010 viii:48 pm

Hi Sean

I am glad you started this post considering I was almost to do the same. My set arrived this forenoon. It is the stereo cycle - my guess is that it has been remastered every bit it has a '24 bit' logo on the back - but I don't accept any of the before CD problems on 'Essential Classics' to compare it to.

I just listened to the first of the Opus xviii works - a beautiful 'straight' interpretation although sometimes intonation problems creep in. This didn't bother me too much and the irksome motility is i of the best I take e'er heard.

Some time ago I picked upwards their remastered mono set on United Archives. My estimate is that these were taken from mint quality LPs. The sound isn't as skilful equally the stereo set but the intonation is improve and if you can go it at a reasonable toll I would try to pick this up likewise. I retrieve Sony released some but non all of the mono cycle.

Like Chalkie I too picked upward the Levine Mahler box and take started listening to a superb 6th with the LSO. Levine'southward first Schumann gear up has likewise been issued in this series and I am hoping that they will likewise release his first Brahms cycle which is hard to become at the moment except from Nippon.

Thanks,
Justin

Post by **Heck148** » Thu Nov eighteen, 2010 11:09 pm

I love the late 4tets from Budapest's 1940-42 menses - that were released on CBS/Sony Masterworks Heritage label [a corking serial of releases all too short-lived] - there was too a release of some of the Opus 18, and eye 4tets as well.
all of the late featured Alex Schneider on Vln II, tho #13 was not included..

the late ones were recorded @ Liederrkranz Hall in NYC. These are wonderful performances.

Post by **CharmNewton** » Friday Nov 19, 2010 12:56 am

These are the stereo recordings, which were never released in their entirety on CD in the U.Due south (I'm not sure well-nigh Europe either--they are available in Japan) despite having been bachelor on LP at full price throughout most of the LP era.

I just received this gear up from ImportCDs and have listened to Disc 1 (Op. 18, 1-3) and they are wonderful. This is a rich quartet sound that isn't heard often today--the Alexander Quartet's recording for Arte Nova also has a rich sonority that reminds me of older quartets.

The late quartets are very difficult works. They seem to require the musicianship of veteran players coupled with the technical abilities of younger ones. The Op. 127 and 132 are two of my favorites, so I'll plough my attention to them next.

John

Postal service past **John F** » Fri Nov nineteen, 2010 1:12 am

Heck148 wrote:all of the belatedly featured Alex Schneider on Vln Two, tho #thirteen was not included.

That's considering Columbia had but recorded #thirteen with the Busch String Quartet, which had come to America during Globe War II. This completed their integrale of the Beethoven late quartets, mostly recorded in Europe by HMV. The Budapest filled this gap in their own discography about 10 years later, but if they'd done it in the early on 1940s I expect the playing would have been even better.

Post by **gfweis** » Friday Nov 19, 2010 1:58 pm

arthound has usefully shown us an image of the red cd box of the early '50'due south Budapest mono recordings. I accept been able to learn that this box is catalogued as United Athenaeum UAR 001.8. I cannot, all the same, find it anywhere currently for sale. Anyone know of a vendor? I would dearly beloved to get these.

Mail by **Seán** » Friday November 19, 2010 2:08 pm

Thank you everybody for your actually informative and insightful comments, I wasn't sure most this set. I never cease to be amazed at the wealth of noesis that people hither have and your willingness to share it with us newbies. This afternoon I ordered a copy of the set and like Justin I ordered a copy of the Levine/Mahler box fix a week ago and promise to have delivery of information technology soon.
And now I'one thousand off to have a closer look at the Van Cliburn piano concerto box assault amazon.fr too.

Mail service by **arthound** » Friday Nov 19, 2010 4:forty pm

gfweis wrote:arthound has usefully shown us an image of the ruby-red cd box of the early '50'due south Budapest mono recordings. I have been able to acquire that this box is catalogued as United Athenaeum UAR 001.viii. I cannot, even so, find information technology anywhere currently for auction. Anyone know of a vendor? I would dearly love to get these.

Howdy Greg

I recollect that United Archives is based in France. I purchased my set on EBay for effectually $50. I have seen it on Amazon UK market just the asking prices are around 100-150 pounds!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beethoven-Compl ... 548&sr=8-one

Thank you,
Justin

Post by **gfweis** » Fri Nov 19, 2010 5:35 pm

Justin, thanks for this information. France is not a place from which to obtain cds cheaply! I will continue my heart out for this assault ebay. I do not hold yous responsible for being the bearer of news that is largely depressing!

Greg

Post past **erato** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 vii:11 am

That'southward because it is OOP. I bought mine for around £18 in one case upon a fourth dimension.

Mail service by **Seán** » Tue Oct eleven, 2011 six:59 am

arthound wrote:

gfweis wrote:arthound has usefully shown us an prototype of the cherry-red cd box of the early '50'southward Budapest mono recordings. I take been able to larn that this box is catalogued every bit United Athenaeum UAR 001.8. I cannot, notwithstanding, detect it anywhere currently for sale. Anyone know of a vendor? I would dearly love to get these.

Hi Greg

I think that United Archives is based in France. I purchased my set on EBay for effectually $50. I have seen information technology on Amazon United kingdom marketplace place but the asking prices are around 100-150 pounds!

http://world wide web.amazon.co.uk/Beethoven-Compl ... 548&sr=viii-one

Cheers,
Justin

It is now available on Amazon for less than £25: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beethoven-Compl ... 945&sr=1-four

Mail by **gfweis** » Tue Oct xi, 2011 nine:37 am

Sean, many thanks for this heads-up. I had not known about it and am about to act!

Greg

Post by **gfweis** » Tue October eleven, 2011 6:42 pm

Thanks to Sean I can study in detail, for those who are interested, that on amazon.co.uk, amazon seller harmonia_mundi is currently offering the United Archives box of cd transfers of the early 1950'southward Budapest SQ Carnegie Hall Beethoven string quartets (8 cds) for 21.75 pounds plus 3.08 pounds shipping to the U.S. = approx. $38.71. I ordered this partially on the musical strength of the several old Columbia lps that I accept heard, and partially on the sonic strength of the other United Archives release that I have, viz. the 4-cd box with the unprepossessing championship, "Serge Koussevitzky: A Conductor of the XXth Century." Those latter transfers, from 78's, are excellent. This Beethoven ready strikes me every bit potentially an excellent bargain. The recently released later stereo Budapest Beethoven box, on Sony, is also very much worth hearing, and is definitely an fantabulous value, currently available from an amazon seller for c. $27, new.

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